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March 4, 2008 – 13:00 ET
GLENN: Last night I had dinner, and I don’t think they are the same one but last night I sat next to Lord Monckton. This is a guy who was advisor for Margaret Thatcher and the reason why I wanted to bring him on, fascinating to spend a couple of minutes to talk to the guy who is the guy who actually brought Al Gore to court or The Inconvenient Truth, who spearheaded the effort to get a balanced view taught in schools in England. This is the guy who got it done. Lord Monckton, how are you?
MONCKTON: I’m fine, Glenn. And you held up your own end of the conversation very well last night.
GLENN: I’m sure I did. First of all, I have to ask you. Was I — did I — I mean, I’ve never met a Lord before. At any point was I supposed to say, "My liege" or anything like that?
MONCKTON: No, you acted entirely correctly every time you spoke. You conducted the entire dinner kneeling, quite right.
GLENN: Okay, good. So Lord Monckton, you’re a guy that — tell this story. How did this — how did it happen that now the other side of global warming has to be taught in Great Britain?
MONCKTON: It’s a very interesting tale. What happened is that I looked at Al Gore’s movie with mounting horror and I identified three dozen scientific errors in it. So I had a weather mate of mine who takes an interest in these matters and also had the money to pay for a court case and I said I thought this film was rubbish. Two weeks later he rang up and said he wanted to do something to fight back against this tide of unscientific freedom-destroying nonsense, which is what global warming is really all about. And so I said, well, the best thing is that you dish your review, a rather peculiar kind of court case in the high court in London in front of custard faced judges. And he said, right, I’ll do it. So we went to the government and said —
GLENN: Hold on, hold on. Lord Monckton, hang on just a second. Stu, would you write this down? It’s a very good slam. I need to use custard faced judges from time to time. That’s very good. All right, go ahead.
MONCKTON: Yes, okay. So we went to the government. They didn’t reply satisfactorily. So we then served papers on them through lawyers and the case came to court and it was very interesting. The first judge who heard the case threw it out without actually watching the movie. So we went to the judge and said, did you watch the movie or didn’t you, and he didn’t reply. So we were able to demand to get a rehearing in front of another judge also we think somehow chosen by the labor government who we were fighting because they were wanting to put this wretched film into every school in England.
MONCKTON: So the second judge who had in fact been a labor candidate before wanted to see it very much the labor party’s way, but what we did was to pester the government scientific spokesman so that they themselves would either have to look scientifically stupid by pretending that Gore’s film didn’t have inaccuracy or they would have to admit that it was inaccurate. In the end they decided that for the sake of retaining what little scientific credibility the office still has, they better admit this were errors and once they admitted them, the judge, even though he wanted to, couldn’t find that Gore’s film was accurate.
GLENN: Okay. So you told me last night — because I said to you, I have no problem with Al Gore’s movie being shown in school, as long as the Great Global Swindle or something like that is also shown side by side. Show both sides. Teach both sides. You said that the same thing that happened over in Great Britain can be done here but it requires about $2 million to get it done.
MONCKTON: This is absolutely right. So if any of your listeners out there have got a spare $2 million and you would be willing to take Al Gore on in court, then get in touch with Glenn Beck and he’ll get in touch with me and I’ll put you in touch with the guy who originally fought some of the early environmental cases 30 years ago who’s still in practice. He is now a judge himself.
GLENN: Hold on just a second. You didn’t give me your — you didn’t give me your digit so I could ring you.
MONCKTON: Right. Well —
GLENN: Yeah, okay. Wait. Go back and tell the part of the story where you said there is somebody here that — if I get the story right — that is an environmentalist or a former environmentalist who is sick and tired of this, that wants it done here and knows how to get it done here.
MONCKTON: That’s right. This is John Yannacone who originally represented the Environmental Defense Fund 35 years ago when they managed to get DDT banned. Now, once he won the case for them, he said to the Environmental Defense Fund, look, what you mustn’t do is insist that the ban be applied inside people’s houses in these poorer countries because if you ban it even inside houses, lots of children will die of malaria. And he said, I’ve got scientific papers, I read them all up, which is what will happen. So you mustn’t push this too far. Then fired him on the spot and as he left the room, he heard the then head of the Environmental Defense Fund say we would never again employ a lawyer who knows any science.
MONCKTON: And since then you know what happened. Between 30 and 50 million children died of malaria who would not have died if DDT had still been allowed to be used inside people’s houses and it was only two years ago that the World Health Organization finally made a statement saying politics has ruled this debate until now; now we’re going to allow the science and the data to take place and we are lifting this ban and encouraging the use of DDT against malaria.
GLENN: Surprise. All right. So this guy was the attorney that got it done and he says now he knows of the way to overturn Al Gore and get the truth taught in schools here in America.
MONCKTON: Absolutely he does indeed. There are a number of different ways this can be done, a number of different courts in which it could be tried and obviously once we know that we’ve got somebody who can back us to do this, we will then consult with Judge Yanncone and find the best forum to do this. Interesting as you know that just this morning John Coleman, who is a veteran forecaster in the U.S.
MONCKTON: Has actually said that Gore should be prosecuted criminally because he is peddling a false prospective in his generation investment management company by talking all this science, pseudoscientific rubbish, which is absolutely in correct, exaggerated all in the direction of alarm.
GLENN: What do you think — we’re going to have him on here in a few minutes. What do you think of that?
MONCKTON: Well, I’ve already made that complaint about Gore and James Hansen who has political and financial links with him. James Hansen is a scientist at NASA who has been pushing all sorts of alarmists and again scientifically inaccurate results onto the public. And Hansen made the mistake of issuing a public statement condemning a presentation which I was going to make to both houses of the Kentucky state legislature last year and he hadn’t even seen what I was going to say. But he condemned it anyway.
Now, that’s not scientific. So I wrote to the administrator of NASA and I said, this conduct is not acceptable; I want it investigated and I think there are financial irregularities behind the conduct of your people in this matter and given that they have financial links with Al Gore. And so they are, in fact, now investigating it. It was referred to the inspector general of NASA who is their internal affairs officer, and he is now looking at this. And if they don’t come back to me very soon and say that they have disciplined this man for making unscientific statements when he’s a paid public official against a private citizen — that’s what he did — then I am going to refer this case via diplomatic channels to the U.S. attorney general’s office because they are the only office who are allowed to refer investigations to the Securities & Exchange Commission.
GLENN: Lord Monckton, thank you so much. And you say again it’s going to take about $2 million to mount a case here in the United States?
MONCKTON: That’s right.
GLENN: Is that what it cost you over in —
MONCKTON: Cheaper in the U.K. but here it’s much more expensive, a more complicated legal some. So it’s better to say, rather than underestimate it, it’s going to be the thick end of $2 million anyway.
GLENN: So its $2 million, not 2 million pounds which now translates to about 14 — I think it’s like $14 trillion U.S. dollars now.
MONCKTON: Yeah, $2 million should see us right. And what I can say is that you will have exactly the same success here as we had there because Gore’s film is full of such obvious stupid exaggerations that any judge in the end, when confronted with the facts, will have to find that this film cannot be shown to innocent schoolchildren unless corrections are made.
GLENN: That’s fantastic. Thank you very much. Lord Monckton, always great chatting with you.
MONCKTON: Thank you.
Glenn Beck: Lord Monckton on Global Warming
March 31, 2008 – 12:34 ET
GORE: I think that those people are in such a tiny, tiny minority now with their point of view. They are almost like the ones who still believe that the moon landing was staged in a movie lot in Arizona.
GORE: And those who believe the Earth is flat.
GORE: That demeans them a little bit, but it’s not that far off.
GLENN: Yeah. That man is responsible for global warming. That’s a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the population. 21% of the people now say that man is the most important factor causing global warming. 63%, tiny, tiny, tiny sliver of the population. 63% say man’s one factor in global warming. 16% say they don’t know or man has no affect. By the way, the number of those who say we didn’t land on the moon is 6%. So it’s almost the same thing. So there you go.
Lord Christopher Monckton has produced his own slide show documentary on the other side. It’s called "Apocalypse? No!" Available at greatswindle.com right now. He is on the phone with us. This is the guy who stopped the — spearheaded the campaign to get Al Gore’s movie thrown out of the schools in England. One of the flat Earthers, if I may say. Do you believe the moon landing was fake, Lord Monckton?
LORD MONCKTON: Oh, Glenn, it was actually filmed in the Scottish Highlands. We made a fortune out of it.
GLENN: Really, that’s weird.
LORD MONCKTON: Al Gore lives in a fantasy world of his own and, of course, it’s he who’s the flat Earther and not us because before Tolomai (ph) and Copernicus came along, the scientific consensus was near unanimous that the Earth was indeed flat apart from here in the Highlands and it was only when the scientists had another look they found the consensus of being wrong all the time. It is going to be exactly the same with global warming. There is supposed to be a consensus, actually more and more scientists —
GLENN: Here, Lord Monckton, I have to tell you. What people will say today is we have been fed a constant stream in the last three days the Arctic ice shelf that has melted, proof positive global warming.
LORD MONCKTON: OH, yeah. Well, it’s melting but there was an earthquake first and the most likely thing that caused this ice to crack, of course, is an earthquake and there is indeed local warming in that region of Antarctica caused by undersea volcanic activity largely. But most of Antarctica is cooling, though the newspapers somehow won’t be telling you that.
GLENN: Is it true that the ice that broke off was .01% of the total ice in Antarctica and it —
LORD MONCKTON: I think you may be exaggerating slightly. And, of course, it didn’t break off, either. It was in danger of breaking off and then along comes the architecture particular winter and all freezes it up again. So it didn’t go anywhere.
GLENN: Okay. All right. What was the answer to the question that Al Gore gave last night on his $300 million ad campaign? I have the question and his answer. I want to know what the real answer was. Here’s the question and answer from TV last night.
STAHL: We’re told that this ad campaign is going to cost a barrel of money. How are you paying for this?
GORE: Well, Tipper and I, thank you again, have put all of the profits from the movie and the book that we would have otherwise gotten, An Inconvenient Truth, to this and —
STAHL: All the profits?
GORE: Correct, all that we would have received, absolutely.
TIPPER GORE: And not only that but, you know, there is a cash component to the Nobel Peace Prize which he was awarded, and we donated that and we matched it.
GLENN: Okay. That’s about $300 million that they are going to spend on the ad campaign. If we’re incredibly generous, we can say that the Gores just donated $10 million, incredibly generous. Where does the other $290 million come from for this ad campaign?
LORD MONCKTON: That, of course, is the question that she ought to have asked him and she didn’t because if she had asked him, he wouldn’t have agreed to the interview. On my guess is that it came from a number of sources, all of them undesirable and all of them very unfriendly to the freedoms of the West. I think the Chinese government is involved in this up to their neck. I think the Indian government. I think several Arab governments.
GLENN: Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait.
LORD MONCKTON: And I also, it’s quite likely that outfits like Greenpeace and the Environmental Defense Fund. Greenpeace will soon have a Navy larger than the British Navy.
GLENN: Okay. Hang on just a second. Lord Monckton, you say something like the Chinese and India are funneling money into this campaign.
LORD MONCKTON: Yeah.
GLENN: Do you have anything to back that up? That’s quite the charge.
LORD MONCKTON: It is quite a charge, but it’s just a very large amount of money which Gore hasn’t got and nor, I think, even do Greenpeace and the Environmental Defense Fund have that kind of money. It’s such a large sum that —
GLENN: So what makes you jump to India or China as opposed to —
LORD MONCKTON: India, China, Arab governments, who stands to gain? It’s very simple really. Who stands to gain if Western governments close down their economies because infatuous nincompoops like Al Gore come out and say the sky’s about to fall in? The answer is those countries that are trying to compete with us economically and would like to take over from us the leadership of the Western — of the free world. And the Chinese would love to take over from us. They are already very active in Africa. They are moving in as powers move out. The Indians, of course, are also hugely expanding their economy. They are not going to be told to stop this. India and China have jointly and on several occasions announced they are not going to reduce their emissions below the per capita level that we emit and that would allow them actually to increase their emission five fold over and above what they already are. And China and India between them now account for getting over two thirds emissions worldwide. They have a huge vested interest in this. And I’m deeply suspicious of this very large amount of money that’s being spent and I think that everybody should now be asking Al Gore where did this money come from, is it clean money or is it dirty money.
GLENN: Well, of course it’s clean money. It’s to help global warming. Lord Christopher Monckton is the guy who led the George to get Al Gore’s movie removed from schools in England. Lesley Stahl apparently did an awful lot of homework for this interview and she came to the interview prepared with, you know, guns ablazing when she said, hey, there are a lot of really credible people, you know, who say they don’t agree with you on the global warming business. The one name she pulled out which I think is the greatest scientist known to man is Dick Cheney.
LORD MONCKTON: (Laughing).
GLENN: I know you haven’t done a lot of research on this but can you come up with a few names of some scientists that have credibility other than the scientist that we all know Dick Cheney is?
LORD MONCKTON: Well, obviously there are people like Professor Richard Lindzen who is the professor of meteorologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He knows more about the atmosphere than anybody else. There’s Shunichi Aksofu (ph), one of the two most cited scientists in the world in Japan who’s completely against it. There are people all over the world and thousands of them now, leading scientists like Roy Spitzer and John Christy who do all the atmospheric measurements using balloons, radio signs and satellite, the Fred Singer who established the U.S. satellite weather service. I could go on and on.
GLENN: Right. Lord Monckton, the interesting thing is you never hear any of these people really quoted in anything like 60 Minutes. I mean, you would think 60 Minutes is supposed to be balanced, supposed to be fair and supposed to hit with the hard — they always intersperse the answer to somebody who is the critic. They always do that. They go back and forth. That’s what 60 Minutes is known for, except they didn’t do it this time around. They just let Al Gore answer the question. Why do you suppose that is?
LORD MONCKTON: I think it’s because they clearly have a political agenda and this was revealed very clearly when Lesley Stahl said in a remark which even the unspeakable BBC wouldn’t have got away with that Al Gore had won the popular vote at the last general election of the United States but the Supreme Court had overturned the people’s will. Now, that kind of remark indicates a very strong left wing, international left political agenda because actually a whole lot of journalists including journalists from CBS went along and got hold of the ballot paper in Florida where the dispute came from and recounted them and found the result was even stronger in favor of George Bush than the official results, which is why they never published it and never screamed about it thereafter. So for her to say that indicates that clearly she was not intending to ask any real questions of Al Gore and he, of course, would not have agreed to take part if he thought for one moment that she was going to do a propaganda job and ask real questions. That’s why for more than a year he has fashioned dodged my invitation with him to debate head to head on CBS or any other television network he cares to name. He dare not do that because he knows the scientific. And Lesley Stahl, if she had begun to ask him any scientific questions, would have had him on the ropes in two seconds.
GLENN: Okay, the last question that we have time for is I just read another article again today about the ice shelf in Antarctica and it ended with, this is just, again, another result of the ocean’s warming, yet NASA has — I’m sorry. Is it NASA that just sent these out, Stu? What’s the organization? Lord Monckton, you might even know. I believe it was NASA that sent the underwater robots, under the ocean floor, on the ocean floor and they have been measuring the temperature now and they say there is no ocean temperature rise. So how is there no —
LORD MONCKTON: It was done by John Lyman of NASA in 2006 and it’s recently been repeated by scientists from NOAA which is another division that looks at these things and there is really no doubt the oceans have not warmed over the last five or six years at all. There has been some local warming in the region of Antarctica where this ice, Wilkins Ice Shelf is but that local warming is probably volcanic. It doesn’t seem to fit in with any of the normal ocean currents or any other pattern. The oceans are, in fact, if anything slightly cooling and indeed, the weather as a whole there has been no global warming for ten years. It stopped ten years ago, in 1998. And for the last seven years temperatures globally have been falling at a main rate of around not .4 Celsius, that’s nearly 1 degree Fahrenheit per decade and I bet you haven’t heard that on CBS.
GLENN: No, I haven’t. Christopher Lord Monckton, he has produced his own documentary. It’s called "Apocalypse? No!" Available at greatswindle.com. Lord Monckton, good to have you on, sir.
LORD MONCKTON: Well, thank you very much.